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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:37 pm

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I think allowing you to add them onto your account will someday be a way for them to tax those people. In one way it's good that they probably get a tip from everyone but in another way they somehow then have a record of what they got. How come in the casino if you hit a jackpot over $1200 and you're American you get a 1099 but if you're not American you don't?

Because US citizens are taxed on gambling winnings, even when won outside of the US. Non-american citizens, well I guess it would depend on their country's tax policy.

As for having a record of employees' tip income, I don't think the cruise lines are trying to track income in the event that it'll be taxed some day, but I do know that some cruise lines "pool" their tips and noncash tips on your stateroom account make it easier for the cruise line to monitor (and prevent individuals from pocketing cash and not reporting it).
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:46 pm

We usually tip more than the standard amount as the service that we receive on RCCL has usually been above what we get in a land based restaurant.

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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:12 pm

At home I tip the massage therapist and I think I would on a cruise if ever I had one there.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:23 pm

i had a massage on my last cruise and i tipped as if i was at home but when i looked at my bill i saw that they also added on 18% so i probably overtipped but it was worth it.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:49 pm

Can you remember if the massage onboard was more expensive than at home ?

I have never thought to have a massage onboard because just being on the cruise I am already relaxed.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:56 pm

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Can you remember if the massage onboard was more expensive than at home ?

I have never thought to have a massage onboard because just being on the cruise I am already relaxed.
much more than we pay at home, which is why I tend to avoid them, but then I'm so darn cheap I won't pay for them at home either. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:29 pm

i went on one of those specials. it was 3 things for $110. there was a seaweed wrap, foot reflexology and a 20 minute massage. i loved the seaweed wrap.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:10 pm

I've seen some inticing specials from the spa for port days ... but the problem is (of course) that we like getting off in port and can't take advantage of the spa specials. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:02 am

I pay about $ 70 Canadian for 1 hr full body massage, guess that is about 55 US today anyway.

I'd rather have that than a seaweed wrap any day Smile
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:39 am

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on our cruise to hawaii, i ask for a lawn chair for my balcony, he got me one, i loved to sleep out on the balcony and i tipped him a 20 for doing that, it was worth it to me to have one for 15 days to relax on, other than that i just don't tip,

you tip...whaddya talkin' about! There are automatic tips on your shipboard account.

that was a special tip because he had to get me a lounge chair and carry down to the room, it was well worth it to me.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:43 am

Yea...your dang 'lounge' chair took up so much room on your balcony...my poor, deprived brother had to hang out somewhere else! BALCONY HOG! pig Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:47 am

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Yea...your dang 'lounge' chair took up so much room on your balcony...my poor, deprived brother had to hang out somewhere else! BALCONY HOG! pig Laughing

you were just jealous because you didn't get to relax or sleep out on the deck.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:51 am

That's because...all I kept hearing was....

"WHO LET THE DOGS OUT...WHO, WHO!"

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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:00 am

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While on this subject, I have to share a story. I was in the gift shop and overheard some "lady" (I use that term loosely) ask the clerk where she had to go to remove the tips for the waiters, as she had not eaten in the dining room the entire cruise, but only ate at the buffets on the Lido deck.

Well, being the butt-in-ski that I can be sometimes, I layed into her. I said, just because you didn't go to the main dining room is no reason to remove those tips. That spot was ready and waiting for you each and every night of the cruise. Those waiters were prepared to serve you, even if you only went one night. Further, I'll bet you didn't leave any tips for the people getting you drinks at the Lido deck or cleaning your tables for you either. You're just cheap and want to deprive these low-paid workers what is really coming to them.

When I quit, the crowd that had gathered started applauding. She didn't say anything and just slipped away with a red face. I'll bet she removed the tips anyway...

I have a story that unfortunately tops that one. This is about people who DID show up at the dining room every night and still didn't want to tip. This is second hand but I fully believe the folks at our table who shared this nightmare. And if you have been on many cruises you have probably seen similar types of creatures as it seems to take all kinds, ya know?

On the final night of the cruise, there was a couple at their dinner table who found every nit-picky little thing wrong with that dinner- a waterspot on the knife, a leaf fallen from the centerpiece, meat too stringy, peppers too spicy, service too erratic and so on. They had appeared to enjoy all the previous meals and so it seemed totally out of place for them to make such a fuss over every little thing.

Then came the motive behind the madness. Why should they leave a tip for such terrible service? They would not reward such inadequacy with a gratuity. Mind you this stance would be pushing it back on land. Even at the worst greasy spoon dive of a place I have always left a tip, albeit small if things were just dreadful.

So these people thought they were clever to "get out" of tipping the people who worked SO hard to serve them and cater to their needs during the cruise. affraid We were dumbfounded that anyone would be so low and then started a discussion of whether or not the cruise lines could or should blacklist such passengers from sailing on their line again. I would vote yes on banning folks with such poor behavior.

Does anyone know if the cruise lines maintain a "no sail" list if they become aware of such a travesty?
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:48 am

We've had table mates go "MIA" on the final night, eating at a specialty restaurant, room service or the buffet, and admitting that it was so they could "skip" the gratuities on the last night. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:16 am

i have eaten in the specialty restaurant the last night but my gratuities were already paid thru my shipboard account so i didn't think it mattered. now that you say that i hope they got their money because i sure paid it.

but about that woman who left it in the room and i embarrassed her to go get it, her husband said the first night that since he was diabetic he preferred cheese and crackers for dessert so every night the waiter brought him a cheese and cracker platter so big i thought it was for the whole table. that's why on the last night i was like oh no, peg, you go back and get the envelope, we'll all wait to give our order for those few minutes.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:09 pm

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i have eaten in the specialty restaurant the last night but my gratuities were already paid thru my shipboard account so i didn't think it mattered. now that you say that i hope they got their money because i sure paid it.
if you put it on your stateroom account I'm sure they did get it - we actually had table mates on one cruise tell us "oh you won't see us tomorrow night; it's less awkward that way" and then admit they don't tip - I've never had the hutzpah that Steve had Wink to call them on the carpet about it and maybe I should.

even my penny-pinching father in law pays the full suggested tip amount on cruises (he's usually generous when he tips 10% on land Crying or Very sad ).
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:16 pm

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lordoftime wrote:


While on this subject, I have to share a story. I was in the gift shop and overheard some "lady" (I use that term loosely) ask the clerk where she had to go to remove the tips for the waiters, as she had not eaten in the dining room the entire cruise, but only ate at the buffets on the Lido deck.

Well, being the butt-in-ski that I can be sometimes, I layed into her. I said, just because you didn't go to the main dining room is no reason to remove those tips. That spot was ready and waiting for you each and every night of the cruise. Those waiters were prepared to serve you, even if you only went one night. Further, I'll bet you didn't leave any tips for the people getting you drinks at the Lido deck or cleaning your tables for you either. You're just cheap and want to deprive these low-paid workers what is really coming to them.

When I quit, the crowd that had gathered started applauding. She didn't say anything and just slipped away with a red face. I'll bet she removed the tips anyway...

I have a story that unfortunately tops that one. This is about people who DID show up at the dining room every night and still didn't want to tip. This is second hand but I fully believe the folks at our table who shared this nightmare. And if you have been on many cruises you have probably seen similar types of creatures as it seems to take all kinds, ya know?

On the final night of the cruise, there was a couple at their dinner table who found every nit-picky little thing wrong with that dinner- a waterspot on the knife, a leaf fallen from the centerpiece, meat too stringy, peppers too spicy, service too erratic and so on. They had appeared to enjoy all the previous meals and so it seemed totally out of place for them to make such a fuss over every little thing.

Then came the motive behind the madness. Why should they leave a tip for such terrible service? They would not reward such inadequacy with a gratuity. Mind you this stance would be pushing it back on land. Even at the worst greasy spoon dive of a place I have always left a tip, albeit small if things were just dreadful.

So these people thought they were clever to "get out" of tipping the people who worked SO hard to serve them and cater to their needs during the cruise. affraid We were dumbfounded that anyone would be so low and then started a discussion of whether or not the cruise lines could or should blacklist such passengers from sailing on their line again. I would vote yes on banning folks with such poor behavior.

Does anyone know if the cruise lines maintain a "no sail" list if they become aware of such a travesty?

You know, it's amazing, it's always the same type over and over again. I think there should be a punishment for non-tippers. Force THEM to work for 2 full weeks and have to serve the waiters/waitresses/room attendants they complained about - that would change their attitude fast. I give lots of credit for anyone working on a cruise ship, those people work hard and, they certainly aren't going to get rich doing those jobs!
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:39 pm

that would be a good punishment for non-tippers - serving the wait staff. they definitely won't get rich working a cruise ship although it's probably the only jobs for some of them in the countries they come from. i know i asked a dealer one day what he'd be doing if he didn't work on the ship and he said a miner. that was about the only job in his country.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:48 pm

AlohaTad - there is a no sail list. Made national headlines a few months ago for Royal Caribbean. Laughing

As far as tipping...yep, we add cash in for special extras. Like the time we walked into our cabin and found an entire towel animal zoo...animals everywhere for my girls. Very Happy I immediatly went in search of our cabin attendant. I tipped her on the spot.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:20 pm

oh that sounds awesome. i just love those silly little towel animals. don't know why something like that just makes me warm and fuzzy.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:05 pm

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oh that sounds awesome. i just love those silly little towel animals. don't know why something like that just makes me warm and fuzzy.

because when you unfold in...it's a warm, fuzzy towel!

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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:39 pm

the only time that I did not tip a waitress was b/c she was so rude to us. we were at the champagne lounge and she passed us 5 times and didn't ask if we needed anything. there was a group of celebrity types and she was catering to them left and right. I had to go and ask her to please come and get our orders. she had an atitude and when I got the bill she had placed a 20% tip. I went to the manager and asked to be removed and told him why. I believe in tipping, but the person has to earn that money.
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:32 pm

Hi Guys, two of you have quoted me as the author of one of Steve's stories.
The story was interesting and really should be credited where the credit is due Very Happy .
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PostSubject: Re: tipping   Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:49 pm

Ha - very magnanimous of you to make sure he gets the credit.

Actually, his name does appear before yours - but it does get a tad confusing when we keep quoting quotes within quotes in our replies.

But the stories are good no matter who told it first - and I am just stunned to hear more examples of people who think they can cruise the seas and NOT tip the people who work so hard to make us well fed and then clean up after us. Scoundrels!
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